Predicate Proposal - Country of origin

Field Name: Country of origin

Type of value: entity

Number of values accepted: multiple

Tooltip description: Country of origin of this item (creative work, product)

Full description: The country of origin of something, including products as well as creative works such as movie and TV content.

In the case of TV and movie, this would be the country of the principle offices of the production company or individual responsible for the movie.

Examples of proper use:

Examples of improper use:

  • Alice in Wonderland’ → ‘Country of origin’ → ‘Wonderland’ - This is incorrect, because it is a fictional country and the action takes place in this country, but not the place of production.

Usage in other schemas:

Constraints: Only applies when Subject has the “Is a” value “Creative Work” and “Product”

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@technopoint2020 First of all, I really like this proposal! As someone who has background as a librarian and researcher, I know this type of question is in high demand and answers often hard to track down. Thanks for proposing it. :slight_smile:

One thing I am wondering is how to deal with cases where the country of origin is either debated or disputed or uncertain. One thought is to provide an Incorrect example that shows a case where the origins are uncertain, for example. Or perhaps consider limiting this to specific entity types such creative works. Some of the other items you mention like country of origin of a food or phrase may be hard to get a definitive answer or the origins are argued or uncertain. But I may be overthinking this here, interested to hear other opinions.

Agree that this is a good proposal. The constraints can always be adjusted as new entity types are implemented. Initial constraints could be Creative Work and Product.

I think, in this case the predicate should not be filled (where the country of origin is either debated or disputed or uncertain - these are not facts).

I can’t think of an example. Could you help me?

I agree, it’s harder to define than for creative work. That’s why I removed it from the description.

(Sorry for being late to the thread, this started before I joined)
Even for creative works it’s a big challenge as any significant movie involves many production companies, which could come from all over. For example The Banshees of Inisherin (2022) - Company credits - IMDb has UK, Irish and US headquartered production companies (BTW it took a while to track them all down)
I’m wondering what circumstances we expect this predicate to be used. I guess it might be used in qualification e.g. what counts as a “International” movie for the Oscars? Also for Products there could be various tariffs/incentives based on country of origin. Though these can use definitions that vary over time and by who’s setting the rules. If we can enumerate some specific use cases then it might help with making the predicate more precise.

For the Oscars I found a whole document but it boils down to where it is “produced” and also “The submitting country must confirm that creative control of the film was largely in the hands of citizens or residents of the submitting country.”
That still leaves “produced” undefined. Though not official in any way I think this page makes most sense Three Stages of TV and Film Production - Central Casting. - it’s not the HQ of the production companies but “Production is where the principal photography (filming) for the movie or TV show takes place.” - that makes it easy for the Banshees movie (it’s Ireland) but still a conundrum for Bond movies which are shot all over the world.

For a work of art, what if a Spanish painter observed and sketched a scene in France and then completed the painting in Belgium?
Or a “live” album had different tracks recorded at different venues on a world tour, and then edited together in a studio in London?

I also searched for articles about cars. This one Every US-made car is an import. That's bad news for automakers pointed out that the most “American” car models are two Hondas and a Mercedes!

There are some less debatable cases where there is a regulated Protected Designation of Origin, e.g. Champagne must come from France, Mezcal from Mexico, Stilton from the UK (though in all these cases the designations are for smaller regions than the country).